that is that i always felt good about saying, you know, i work for the americans i work for the u.s. government and we're the good guys. we don't play by the rules that our enemies do. we adhere to the geneva conventions and during this period, i don't think we were able to say that. i would say as a result, we probably had a much harder time recruiting human sources because we didn't have that moral high ground. >> cenk: because the moral high ground is not a matter of just morality, it's gaining their trust and you need that in order to get the information. >> very much so, and, you know, is specially with our targets our main targets bin terrorists, we need people with access to information to these networks and winning the trust of those people is extremely difficult so when we start using the tactics of our enemies we lose that ability to say we're different. so i think that that period in the c.i.a.'s history was a really dark stain on oh the agency and quite frankly, our country. full disclosure, i haven't seen "zero dark 30" yet. i'll form my own opinion whether or not i thin